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Soy: healthy or not for the prostate: Isoflavones & estrogen in soy?

by Tet
(Australia)

Hey Ron,


Thank you for your reply. My Perfect Pendulum has since arrived and I am learning to use it to Personal Test.

I guess the first thing I have to test for is whether soya bean milk is good for my prostate or not. After subscribing to your Newsletter upon the launch of your website I received your report "10 worst foods for your prostate" and listed at #7 was soy.

After finished reading your book I researched the websites for prostate supplements and was brought to the UniScienceGroup.com website where they sold 3 different prostate supplements, and accepted their invitation to subscribe to their weekly newsletter put out by their advancedAlternativeNews.com, after which they sent me a free report called "The Manhood Defenders: What you need to know to keep your prostate healthy".

In their report, which I am attaching herewith, at page 11, they said:

"Soy Isoflavones. Along with adding soy foods to your diet, supplemental soy isoflavones can help keep your prostate healthy and happy. One of the isoflavones in soy, genistein, inhibits the growth of new blood vessels that, when abnormal, can contribute to the development and spread of prostate cancer. Research also shows that genistein has anti-tumor properties and induces programmed cell death, effectively inhibiting the growth of prostate cancer cells.

Soy isoflavones also put the brakes on the enzyme responsible for DHT conversion, making it a useful supplement for preventing BPH. Studies show that the estrogen-like effect of soy decreases the rate of prostate enlargement."

As this is in direct contradiction to what you said in your full book and your latest report about the "10 worst foods..." I would appreciate very much your take on this again please.

My family and I, being of Oriental descent, have been enjoying home made soya milk and tofu practically since we were born. Your book was just about to make me put away our Soya Milk Making Machine. Now I read that it is a "Manhood Defender".

I will also Personally Test this dilemma, but your insight as to the intricacies of the isoflavones and estrogen affecting our prostates would be very helpful. I was concluding with you that estrogen was one of the main culprits, yet this new report says: "Studies show that the estrogen-like effect of soy decreases the rate of prostate enlargement."

Confusion is an understatement.

Thanks.

Regards,

Tet

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Hi Tet,

I agree with you that there are so many confusing insights into any issue. Soy is fine as long as it is phytic acid reduced. The problem with today's soy products are that they are not reduced, and many manufactured ones contain MSG and GMO.

Small amounts of traditional organic tofu would be OK for someone with a strong constitution but not if you have a prostate problem. But that is theory! Just personally test to know.

Did you know that the Chinese icon for soy is different from all other grains and in fact was only used as a cover crop to fix nitrogen? It was only when there was not enough food that people started eating it. Can't remember where I read that though.

In any case forget all the theories, learn to test and trust the results. Just retest frequently. If you get a Yes then test for the amount too.

I have boxes of supplements of all kinds that at one point seemed like the answer to all my problems! Can't take any of them any more!

I could say the same about coffee or chocolate… all have pros and cons. I now can have some 70-90% organic chocolate in small amounts! Big smile for me!

Test, get good at it and your confidence will grow. Test the supplements too. Just test the image. I just got a yes for it. But that does not mean I could take it forever, and my dose may be only one a day or a week. I find that supplements that are OK for me to take rarely last a long time before I get a No or a reaction if I forget to test.

On the other hand I remember when first I took
Cod Liver Oil...,

I took about 12 caps vs. the recommended dose of 1 per day! I must have needed it badly. Then over the course of several months it reduced down to 3 a day and eventually to one and then none after about a year.

Did you see the Prost-10x product on my site? I can only take about 4-5 per day while the recommendation is 9. Started at about 7.

For me though, supplements are very secondary. Your food is your medicine and that is where the biggest effort needs to be made. Your daily inputs have an amazing impact on your health over time. It is not a quick fix but like the turtle and hare, the turtle who eats well wins this race!

Personally test, practice more and more, and get good at it and you will have a tool to guide you on your way to health. It does work. It takes time but just stopping the harmful inputs and adding healthy ones will little by little build you up. And cleanse - that is one way to speed everything up because it helps eliminate so much.


Best to you,

Ron

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Hi Ron,

Thanks for your reply. And you may post these at your site if you want.

The phytic acid part can be reduced by soaking, which I do anyway in the process of making soya bean milk at home. It’s the oestrogen part that is most contradictory. You were saying that it’s the oestrogen-like stuff in soy that should put us off soy, yet the new report says just the opposite – that the oestrogen like substances prevent growth of the prostate. What is the theory anyway?

I will personal test it of course. But the soya bean milk we make at home do not have any added MSG, and we use organic non GMO soya beans grown by certified and proven farmers.

The Chinese term for soya bean translates to just “yellow bean”, so it’s a bean, probably a legume, not a grain. Soya beans have been eaten by the Chinese for a long time, as far as I know. The soy products giving a bad name to soya beans are those manufactured vegetarian food made to look like meat, as often come from Taiwan.

Shall I just buy the Prost-10x supplement instead of keep searching for one?

I have also ordered cod liver oil from an Australian company importing it from Green Pastures (GP) of the USA, but it’s very much more expensive, so I’m trying to import direct from GP.

I am in the process of buying the liver detox book and downloading it online to try and implement that cleansing. Colonics are also being looked into.

Thanks.

Regards,

Tet

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To be honest Tet, I too find the reports confusing as biology is not my forte. The only answer is to test. It sounds like you make a very healthy soy product. The only question is how good it is for you… testing will tell. Just yesterday I had to retest my favourite sauerkraut and got a No…. it is a superb home made product but my body had enough for now. So I stop. Problem solved.

When I talked about the use of soybeans fixing nitrogen it was in very ancient times that it changed. I will try to find the reference. It must be buried deep in the computer somewhere!

This is from wikipedia:
Soy

"Soybeans were a crucial crop in eastern Asia long before written records. They remain a major crop in China, Japan, and Korea. Prior to fermented products such as soy sauce, tempeh, natto, and miso, soy was considered sacred for its use in crop rotation as a method of fixing nitrogen."

Soy seems to be a very controversial food with many proponents and many against it, especially the GMO and manufactured highly processed items. The fact that the varieties you eat (tofu and soy milk) are not fermented like tempeh, miso etc could be part of your problem...excessive phytic acid and estrogens...and the fact that you consume so much for so long.

Read this good article on it:

Soy and Prostate Health


My answer is simple… testing. Your body knows. Moderate use may be fine for you. Since you are Asian, you may not have the ability to have dairy but if you can find some raw milk, make it into kefir, that is a hugely beneficial food that you drink, use on desserts or eat with a spoon sweetened with some maple syrup. The process reduces the lactose and you may just find it can aid the beneficial bacteria in your digestive tract.

Once you can eliminate food irritants and cleanse, your body finally has a chance to heal… so learn the skill of testing in whichever method works for you and trust its message.

Your subconscious mind processes info at an incredible rate and so you are just tapping into that knowing with testing. This way you customize what is best for you - no theories, no scientific studies with all the possible testing biases and incorrect procedures that happen and no health gurus with their theories - just pure info that will work for you.

As far as estrogen goes, check out why DIM found in many prostate supplements or cruciferous veggies is such a useful supplement (if it tests yes!)… it reduces estrogen!

Best,

Ron

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Apr 10, 2012
Soy, tofu, soymilk and prostate health
by: Ron

I just wanted to add some further notes to this about my experience with soy.

Back in the late 70s I consulted to the first soy dairy start-up in Eastern Canada, started using tofu and soy milk regularly for about 3 decades and more on a regular basis, plus many other soy products like frozen soy, tofu dogs, tamari, miso etc etc.

All were of the organic non GMO varieties.

I explain part of me prostate problem to this practice of eating so much soy.

Why?

Because the phytic acid content of most of those soy products robs the prostate of zinc and magnesium and the excess estrogens weakens the prostate gland.

Today I cannot eat any soy products except a very tiny amount of naturally brewed and fermented tamari. If I do I experience an allergic reaction in my prostate.

So how do you know if soy is OK for you?

Learn to personally test your products and you will know if soy is OK for you to eat, at least for that occasion.

Personal testing is a most wonderful tool to tap into your subconscious body wisdom. It is known by many names and various methods but is an invaluable tool to learn and will save you a fortune in unneeded products and supplements. And it may easily help you avoid products that can trigger a prostate reaction.

Learn the techniques for your prostate health. It is one of the many areas I cover in depth in my book.

Ron

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